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		<title>Lies, Damned Lies, and Tissue Culture</title>
		<link>http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2011/08/lies-damned-lies-and-tissue-culture/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I originally wrote this in Feb 2008, and later updated it for the old Lay Science. While making sure that this website was up-to-date, it occurred to me that this post would have disappeared with the rest of the Lay &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2011/08/lies-damned-lies-and-tissue-culture/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I originally wrote this in Feb 2008, and later updated it for the old </em>Lay Science<em>. While making sure that this website was up-to-date, it occurred to me that this post would have disappeared with the rest of the </em>Lay Science<em> site. I have forgotten what updates I made when it made the move, and if I were setting out to write this article today it would no doubt be a completely different style, but here, for the archives, is the original version.</em></p>
<p>If you have ever worked in a molecular or medical biology research  laboratory, chances are one of the first things you learnt was tissue  culture (or the microbiology equivalents).  Even if you know nothing  about biology, you&#8217;ve probably heard mentions of &#8220;cell culture&#8221; on the  news, or at the very least heard about the results of studies in tissue  culture.  If you hear about &#8220;cell lines&#8221;, you&#8217;ve got culture.  If you  hear about a &#8220;laboratory study&#8221; showing that your favourite chemical is  carcinogenic, you&#8217;ve probably got culture.  If you hear about new trials  on a miracle cancer cure that has been shown to be effective in  &#8220;preliminary laboratory tests&#8221;, you&#8217;ve probably got culture.  Everything  from zombie epidemics to £10,000 animal-free beef is cell culture.   Knowing a little bit about what tissue culture is, and what its uses and  limitations are, is therefore important when answering such questions  as &#8220;is my baby&#8217;s bottle poisonous?&#8221;, &#8220;is stem-cell research ethical?&#8221;  and &#8220;is vitamin C an effective cure for colds/cancer/HIV?&#8221;</p>
<p>So.  What is tissue culture (TC)?  It&#8217;s when you take specific cells  from a multi-cellular animal and grow them in a dish full of nutrients  (a mimic of your blood serum).  The point of doing this is to create a  system on which to experiment which does not require growing and killing  lots of individuals &#8212; something that is, for some reason, considered  unethical.  Especially when it&#8217;s humans you propose using.  Typically,  human or other mammalian tissues are used &#8212; especially &#8220;model  organisms&#8221; such as mice.  You can use healthy or diseased cell lines  from all sorts of different organs.  Once you&#8217;ve grown up a nice batch  of cells in your dish, you can see how they respond to your cancer drug,  environmental contaminant, or new junk food ingredient.  You can see  exactly how the behaviour of your cells changes over the minutes, hours  and days of exposure; how they recover after the chemical has been  flushed away; how your cancer drug works in dozens of different tumours;  how your junk food ingredient works in the old and young, male and  female, fit and fat; and how your environmental contaminant interacts  with other environmental contaminants.  It&#8217;s great.  If you work hard  enough, you can know everything you want to know about your chemical  within a week.  Wipe out cancer and save the world by next Monday.  At  least, that&#8217;s what the animal-rights movement would have you believe.   And the tabloid press fall for it daily.</p>
<p>Trouble is, it&#8217;s very easy to get superficially interesting answers  using TC.  Which makes it very easy to convince a journalist that you  have important results, but very difficult to convince a scientist.   That&#8217;s not to say that TC is not important.  But everything that we  measure in TC is an estimate of what happens in real life situations.   It&#8217;s a model that uses surrogate measures from which we can develop  hypotheses about what happens in reality.  A bad analogy is in order, I  think.  Suppose you are building a car.  You want to protect your future  drivers from side-on impacts.  Very early on in the design process, you  have an engineer conduct strength tests on different materials and  designs for doors.  From this, you can narrow down the field of designs,  and make hypotheses about which designs will perform best on the road.   But you can not be sure that the strongest material will provide the  best protection against injury and death.  You would want play with the  crash test dummies, before putting the car on the road.  And once the  car is on the market, you would analyse incidents.  Because when the  door is attached to the car and put on the road, a huge number of other  variables comes into play.  And so it is with, er&#8230; what was the topic  again?  Tissue culture.</p>
<p>Cells did not evolve for growth in a dish.  They evolved in the  context of cooperation with a vast number of other specialist cells in a  body.  They are not fine-tuned for survival in the absence of skin, an  immune system, a digestive system, liver and kidneys.  They are not  supposed to live like barnacles on plastic.  But if you&#8217;ve worked with  research quality cell lines, you&#8217;ll know that it&#8217;s surprisingly easy to  make them grow in a dish.  Feed them every couple of days, and they&#8217;ll  happily live for many months.  Well go and say that to the post-docs and  technicians who made it that way.  They were up until midnight  processing disgusting lumps of freshly excised tumour.  They spent  months trying out different combinations of nutrients and fungicides in  an attempt to make the cells survive longer than a week.  They may be  easy to grow now, but don&#8217;t think there wasn&#8217;t any effort involved. Billions of cells died in the process of making those few grow.   Under these circumstances, you can hardly expect the cells not have  evolved a little.  You are introducing them to a vast number of novel  mutagens by taking them away from the protection of skin.  And putting  anything into a new environment is going to mean new selection  pressures.  When you finally manage to immortalise your cell line, is it  because you&#8217;ve perfectly adapted the conditions to the cells, or  because the cells have adapted to the conditions?</p>
<p>So.  There are all sorts of reasons why TC can not be anything more  than an approximation of what is happening in real life.  A useful  approximation, but unreliable in the absence confirmatory evidence from <em>in vivo</em> and population studies.  But these are only the intrinsic limitations  of TC.  When judging the merits of TC based research, you must also take  into the account the fact that TC is easily misused and misrepresented,  and that charlatans are doing it all the time.  TC is a favourite of  cargo-cult healers and nutritionists &#8212; those who like to keep up a  superficial appearance of having a scientific basis for their quackery.   Take, for example, the shamen who pedal vitamin C as an HIV/AIDS drug  (Patrick Holford, for example) or as a cancer therapy.  They will tell  you that in TC, vitamin C has been shown to kill tumour cells, or those  cells that are infected with HIV.  Therefore, the reasoning goes, we  should abandon proven therapies, in favour of taking some vitamin  supplements.  Trouble is, you can chuck a big lump of any chemical in a  dish of cells and the cells will die.  I could pour a bag of vitamin C  into a dish of healthy cells.  They will die.  Conclusion: those vitamin  supplements are deadly poisonous.  Except that your cells will never be  exposed to a bag of vitamin C, because you have skin, a digestive  system, and kidneys.  And because people just don&#8217;t go around pouring  bags of vitamin C down their throats.  I could spit in a dish of cells  and tell you that spit is a killer.  It&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not just charlatans that abuse TC.  Many legitimate  scientists bend the rules a little.  They may not even be aware that  they are doing it.  Take the case of Bisphenol A (BPA), something I did a  little work on a couple of years ago.  BPA is a component of some  plastics, notably bottles.  It is known to very slowly leach out of the  bottles and into your drink.  There is a little bit of evidence (mostly  from rats) to show that consuming BPA may be harmful.  And there are a <em>lot</em> of TC experiments on the chemical.  BPA is a xenoestrogen, meaning that  it mimics the activity of estrogens.  Estrogen, of course, regulates  prolactin release, and cell division (particularly in the breasts).  We  know that BPA mimics estrogens because when we put some in our dish of  tumour cells, we see that within seconds the estrogen receptors have  been activated, and all the other effects of estrogen follow.  There are  loads of results to confirm this because there are a lot of experiments  into the effect of estrogen (there&#8217;s plenty of money in breast cancer  research).  If you&#8217;re doing the experiment anyway, it&#8217;s hardly any more  effort to look at BPA.  And you can pretend that your research has  another potential medical application.  Since it&#8217;s not the <em>primary</em> aim of your research, the journal&#8217;s reviewers won&#8217;t notice that you&#8217;re  using it at a thousand times the concentration that you would find it in  the body.  So even if enough BPA does leach out of your bottle, and  even if BPA does do interesting things in the body, a large proportion  of the TC studies will be irrelevant to understanding how it does those  things, because they look at inappropriately large concentrations and  inappropriately small timescales.</p>
<p>So, next time you are flicking through the health pages of the Daily  Mail &#8212; which I know all of you like to do &#8212; engage healthy skepticism  when they update the list of miracle cures and carcinogens.  Like  statistics, tissue culture is incredibly useful &#8212; whether you&#8217;re  searching for the truth, or a convincing lie.</p>
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		<title>Genesis on genetics</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is another archival report, originally written for the old blog in 2008. Here&#8217;s an interesting one: Genesis chapter 30. If you think Darwin got inheritance wrong, try the Bible. 30:28 And he [Laban] said, Appoint me thy wages, and &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2011/07/genesis-on-genetics/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is another archival report, originally written for the old blog in 2008.</em></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting one: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/30.html" target="_blank">Genesis chapter 30</a>. If you think Darwin got inheritance wrong, try the Bible.</p>
<blockquote><p>30:28 And he [Laban] said, Appoint me thy wages, and I will give it.</p>
<p>30:29 And he said unto him, Thou knowest how I have served thee, and how thy cattle was with me.</p>
<p>30:30 For it was little which thou hadst before I came, and it is now  increased unto a multitude; and the LORD hath blessed thee since my  coming: and now when shall I provide for mine own house also?</p>
<p>30:31 And he said, What shall I give thee? And Jacob said, Thou shalt  not give me any thing: if thou wilt do this thing for me, I will again  feed and keep thy flock.</p>
<p>30:32 I will pass through all thy flock to day, removing from thence  all the speckled and spotted cattle, and all the brown cattle among the  sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats: and of such shall  be my hire.</p>
<p>30:33 So shall my righteousness answer for me in time to come, when  it shall come for my hire before thy face: every one that is not  speckled and spotted among the goats, and brown among the sheep, that  shall be counted stolen with me.</p>
<p>30:34 And Laban said, Behold, I would it might be according to thy word.</p>
<p>30:35 And he removed that day the he goats that were ringstraked and  spotted, and all the she goats that were speckled and spotted, and every  one that had some white in it, and all the brown among the sheep, and  gave them into the hand of his sons.</p>
<p>30:36 And he set three days&#8217; journey betwixt himself and Jacob: and Jacob fed the rest of Laban&#8217;s flocks.</p>
<p>30:37 And Jacob took him rods of green poplar, and of the hazel and  chesnut tree; and pilled white strakes in them, and made the white  appear which was in the rods.</p>
<p>30:38 And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in  the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink, that  they should conceive when they came to drink.</p>
<p>30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.</p>
<p>30:40 And Jacob did separate the lambs, and set the faces of the  flocks toward the ringstraked, and all the brown in the flock of Laban;  and he put his own flocks by themselves, and put them not unto Laban&#8217;s  cattle.</p>
<p>30:41 And it came to pass, whensoever the stronger cattle did  conceive, that Jacob laid the rods before the eyes of the cattle in the  gutters, that they might conceive among the rods.</p>
<p>30:42 But when the cattle were feeble, he put them not in: so the feebler were Laban&#8217;s, and the stronger Jacob&#8217;s.</p>
<p>30:43 And the man increased exceedingly, and had much cattle, and maidservants, and menservants, and camels, and asses.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, I think the deal here is that Jacob makes some pact where he gets  to take all of the stripey, speckled, and spotted cows, sheep, and  goats, from this other dude Laban&#8217;s stock. He does this, leaving Laban  with homogeneous flocks of plain individuals. He then attempts fraud by  making Laban&#8217;s plain individuals mate while looking at stripey things,  so that the offspring will be stripey, and Jacob can claim they are his  own. And, hey, guys, it totally worked.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not actually at all surprising that the offspring of two plain  individuals turn out stripey, speckled, or spotty. That sort of thing is  pretty normal.  Traits can skip generations and reappear later for a  variety of reasons. It could be that one or the other trait is linked to  a dominant/recessive gene system; or that they are influenced by  complicated combinations of genes, which are shuffled in each  generation; or that they are capable of being thrown either way by  developmental switches.  Indeed, it&#8217;s possible even to speculate on  reasons why the &#8220;feebleness&#8221; of cattle might be linked to the tendency  to breed true for more traits.</p>
<p>So, assuming that the story has some basis in reality (lets pretend,  anyway), Jacob probably just developed a superstition.  A convenient  myth to explain a mysterious natural phenomenon, while allowing him to  believe that he had some influence over that phenomenon. Perhaps he  noticed some stripey pattern in the landscape one day, noticed that  there was mating going on in the vicinity of the stripes, and then  noticed the stripey lambs being born. A meaningless correlation would  then appear, superficially, to be a principle of inheritance.  From  there, the superstition would develop as the believer started counting  hits, forgetting misses, and discovering his &#8220;ability&#8221; to select the  stronger more desirable individuals as parents (or post-hoc reasoning  that because it has sired a stripey calf, it must be a strong bull).</p>
<p>Alternatively, of course, Goddidit.</p>
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		<title>Flat Earth News</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is another archival repost from the old blog &#8212; this time from March 2009. The past few weeks seem to have seen laments for the decline of journalism and obituaries for old media reaching a critical mass. BoraZ has &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2011/07/flat-earth-news/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is another archival repost from the old blog &#8212; this time from March 2009.</em></p>
<p>The past few weeks seem to have seen laments for the decline of  journalism and obituaries for old media reaching a critical mass. BoraZ  has kindly <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2009/02/on_the_media_-_your_weekend_re.php" target="_blank">collected a few dozen</a> so that I don&#8217;t have to.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s just because I&#8217;ve been reading Nick Davies&#8217; <em>Flat Earth News</em>,  and because Davies did the last Skeptics in the Pub, that I have been  noticing that the decline of newspapers is reaching this critical stage.   Davies is a <em>Guardian</em> investigative journalist, and he&#8217;s breaking the rules by telling us just what a state the media is in.  <em>Flat Earth News</em>,  written two years ago, before the American newspapers started going  bankrupt, and British newspapers shed half their workforce, documents  the many multiplicative flaws in the system of news gathering,  reporting, and dissemination which cause journalists to churn out the  crap the passes for newspapers these days.</p>
<p>Davies&#8217; conclusion is that journalism &#8212; a noble profession of bright  people &#8212; has, largely as a cost-cutting measure, been reduced  tochurnalism .  Instead of spending a week researching a story in great  depth and telling us the important facts that we didn&#8217;t know,  journalists have been reduced to rewriting a dozen wire stories and  press releases each day.  Journalists no longer have the time, the  background knowledge, or the luxury of specialisation, required to find  out whether the words they are writing bear any resemblance to reality.   Nor do they have the time to establish what conflicts of interest of  their sources have and whether they are hiding things &#8212; instead, the  words can be reported as he-said/she-said, and the report can  technically never be wrong.</p>
<p>Indeed, the media and public relationships industry have evolved a  sophisticated mutualistic relationship.  Newspapers could not fill their  papers without press release writers doing all their research (and even  choosing their words) for them, and in return, interested parties get  their side of the story, or their product, prominently placed in the  story.</p>
<p>M&#8217;colleague suggested that this thesis sounded a little like a  conspiracy theory.  I, however, am generally convinced.  I am convinced  because I have seen it work so many times in the field that I am  familiar with &#8212; science and medicine.  I have seen how the British  tabloid (and even broadsheet) newspapers build their <a rel="nofollow" href="http://dailymailoncology.tumblr.c/" target="_blank">oncological ontological database</a> from poorly written press releases.  I have seen how interested parties  both in industry and pressure groups place their doubt or certainty in  news stories about the environment.  I&#8217;ve seen the basic failure of  fact-checking as elementary mistakes in press releases about newly  published journal papers are faithfully replaced in all papers.  I&#8217;ve  even seen <em>my own words</em> from Wikipedia appear in <em>The Metro</em>&#8216;s  obituary of John Peel.  And I&#8217;ve seen how successfully our own side has  fought back on the media&#8217;s own terms, when Sense About Science press  released their detox dossier in the slow news week after Christmas.</p>
<p><em>Flat Earth News</em> provides the overarching explanatory theory  for why so much of the news media is, to quote a comment on Friday&#8217;s  Ryanair-toilets &#8220;news story&#8221; publicity stunt, &#8220;such a great lorry load  of cock.&#8221;  Science bloggers like a good whinge about a bad science or  medicine story in the paper, but the problem is much greater than just a  few humanities graduates trying to write about science.  That  skepticism you apply when reading the science stories needs to apply to  the politics, foreign events, business, and everything else besides,  because the authors of those items know no more about their subject than  the humanities graduates covering science do about theirs.</p>
<p>Journalists can cry that democracy is not possible without them; but  there&#8217;s nothing empowering about a media that churns back the press  releases of government departments and military agencies.  There is  nothing empowering in the <em>Daily Mail</em>.</p>
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		<title>Creationism: not such a big deal in the UK after all</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is another archival repost, originally written on the old blog in feb 2009, during the Darwin 200 celebrations. For eight years, the United States was the brawling village idiot of the developed world, so far as Europe seemed to &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2011/05/creationism-not-such-a-big-deal-in-the-uk-after-all/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is another archival repost, originally written on the old blog in feb 2009, during the Darwin 200 celebrations.</em></p>
<p>For eight years, the United States was the brawling village idiot of  the developed world, so far as Europe seemed to be concerned.  But in  Britain, we are constantly reminded that, in addition to our own  peculiar intellectual failures, we are not immune to catching the  American anti-reality bugs. Everyone&#8217;s favourite example is creationism.   Over the past couple of years we&#8217;ve had the confusingly named <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2006/nov/27/schools.uk1" target="_blank">Truth In Science</a> sending creationist DVDs to teachers; dense dentistry students getting in the news for <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/11/24/newsstory10599041t0.asp" target="_blank">protesting Steve Jones&#8217; lectures</a>; Ken Ham <a rel="nofollow" href="http://richarddawkins.net/article,2367,n,n" target="_blank">preaching in Westminster</a>; and most shockingly, living national treasure Sir David Attenborough getting sent <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/27/david-attenborough-science" target="_blank">hate mail</a> from them. And then this week, Christian think-tank Theos press-released another <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/Half_of_Britons_sceptical_about_evolution_.aspx?ArticleID=2836&amp;PageID=14&amp;RefPageID%20=5" target="_blank">creationism-evolution survey</a>, and all of the newspapers dutifully ran headlines announcing that only a quarter of Britons accept evolution.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve heard the &#8220;creationists are invading&#8221; warning repeated  enough times, you might not even notice just how ridiculous some of this  stuff is.  Sure, American fundamentalists bought enough creation museum  tickets to pay for Ken Ham to go on a jolly to London.  Sure, a few  individual halfwits will complain about their sensibilities having been  offended, and get a lazy journalist to believe that it is news.  Sure,  there are even a small number of people in this country so tragically  disturbed that they feel they must threaten one of our greatest heroes.   There are even a couple of organisations with rich enough benefactors  that they can waste the world&#8217;s precious resources sending junk mail to  science teachers.  But to the extent that three out of four Britons are  out of touch with reality to the extent of six orders of magnitude?<small><sup>[1]</sup></small> I can&#8217;t believe that&#8217;s true.  And <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.humanism.org.uk/news/view/211" target="_blank">it&#8217;s not</a>.</p>
<p>Do you remember the story in December 2007, about the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/dec/16/religion.world" target="_blank">creationist theme park</a> being built in Lancashire?  The blogosphere was aghast at how low the  UK had sunk.  Anyone actually visited the theme park yet?  Oh, no,  because it still doesn&#8217;t exist.  The AH Trust, the charity behind the initiative, have a amusing professional-looking website<small><sup>[2]</sup></small> to tell you all about their plans, though.  Apparently the £3.5 million  aircraft-hanger exhibit will be the &#8220;Worldâ€™s [sic] first 3D Cinematic  Hologram Theme Park.&#8221;  According to their annual report and accounts,  the AH Trust consists of an engineer (always with the engineers!), his  wife, and their two mates.  They have just over 100 grand in the bank.   Not being an accountant, I have no idea why all except £461 of that is  currently just resting in the donors&#8217; own bank accounts.  The chances of  such a theme park being constructed are nil, but somehow I feel that  the AH Trust has served its purpose, with newspapers and bloggers doing  their bit by humouring them.</p>
<p>While creationism in the UK is clearly a problem which needs  tackling, I think it is clear that the problem is consistently  overblown.  To the lazy hack journalist, creation vs evolution sounds  like a fundamental issue in culture, society, science and philosophy,  that is of some great importance.  So any crackpot and his mates down  the pub church can say something retarded and get a  he-said-she-said write up in the rags.  And bloggers everywhere will  hail it as another sign of the rise of creationism, and the descent of  the UK into an irrational non-reality based world.  We all seem so good  at spotting, and correcting, the nonsense newspapers write about  science.  So why is the skepticism not applied a little more widely?</p>
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<li>Roughly  the difference between the age of the universe, and the age  creationists think the universe is.  As Dawkins says &#8220;that&#8217;s a  non-trivial error.&#8221;</li>
<li>Link removed from the repost because the site is now occupied by domain squatters.</li>
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<td>That  AH Trust website is amazing. They not only have a vision of a Christian  Theme Park (please let them have a merry-go-round where you can ride on  Jesus, that would be the best) but also run an advertising agency, film  studio and day care centre for dementia sufferers. Well no one could  accuse them of having narrow interests.&nbsp;</p>
<p>I know the funding graph on your blog is looking a bit sorry but, AH Trust, if you build it I will come.</td>
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<td>Posted at 2009-02-08 16:42:59<a href="http://www.cotch.net/cp.php?module=del_com&amp;id=26892"></a></td>
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<td rowspan="2" width="120px"><strong>Andrew Clegg</strong>&nbsp;</p>
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<td>A few days late, while I catch up my blog backlog, but well said.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Incidentally, the AH Trust website for me just gives some half-loaded  holding page, like someone couldn&#8217;t afford their domain bills&#8230;</td>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was listening to an old episode of the SETI institute&#8217;s podcast Are We Alone, in which they talked to a CSICOP (or whatever it is they call themselves these days) investigator. He described how he approached claims of the &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2010/09/lay-science-suspending-disbelief/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was listening to an old episode of the SETI institute&#8217;s podcast <em>Are We Alone</em>,  in which they talked to a CSICOP (or whatever it is they call  themselves these days) investigator. He described how he approached  claims of the paranormal: he was <em>neutral</em>, and he “suspended  disbelief” while he investigated the claim. He is not the only person to  state that they “suspend disbelief” when looking at wacky claims. But  he is wrong. He described his methodology in greater detail, and with  case studies. What he is actually doing is following the stereotype  (&#8220;type workflow&#8221;?) of the scientific method: in science, we make new  hypotheses &#8212; wacky or tame &#8212; about how the world works, but it is  assumed that the <em>null</em> hypothesis is true until we have evidence to suggest otherwise.  We work on the assumption that our wacky new hypothesis is <em>not</em> true, until we can discover evidence that it <em>is</em>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[After renewed fighting between Bad Science&#8217;s Ben Goldacre and make-believe scientist Gillian McKeith, the skeptical blogosphere has been taking a look at itself and wondering whether it&#8217;s being a bit too mean, and putting people off.  My contribution at Lay &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2010/07/lay-science-on-gillian-mckeith/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After renewed fighting between Bad Science&#8217;s Ben Goldacre and make-believe scientist Gillian McKeith, the skeptical blogosphere has been taking a look at itself and wondering whether it&#8217;s being a bit too mean, and putting people off.  My contribution at <em>Lay Science</em> says &#8216;no&#8217;: there is value in making fun of lame pseudoscientists.</p>
<blockquote><p>In a piece of contrarianism worthy of <a href="http://layscience.net/node/%E2%80%9Dhttp://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-cant-pepsi-blog-on-scienceblogs.html%E2%80%9D">Jack of Kent</a>, it was suggested by a number of people (e.g. <a href="http://layscience.net/node/%E2%80%9Dhttp://twitter.com/SciencePunk/status/18524131339%E2%80%9D">here</a>)  on twitter that the latest round of Gillian McKeith bashing would serve  only to make a martyr of the awful old poo lady.  Perhaps she would  like that.  She has always left me with the impression of somebody  lonely, in a mid-life crisis, absolutely desperate for fame and  attention (I don’t know; an impression only, of course, no objective  insight into her character is implied).</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve posted a quick review of The Way The World Is, physicist-vicar John Polkinghorne&#8217;s attempt at explaining to other scientists why he is a Christian.  It&#8217;s a tedious and embarrassing piece of work.  The book, that is.  The post, I &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2010/06/lay-science-the-way-the-world-is/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted a quick review of <a href="http://layscience.net/node/1055"><em>The Way The World Is</em></a>, physicist-vicar John Polkinghorne&#8217;s attempt at explaining to other scientists why he is a Christian.  It&#8217;s a tedious and embarrassing piece of work.  The book, that is.  The post, I hope, is at least entertainingly sarcastic.  <a href="http://layscience.net/node/1055">Read it here</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The paper that initiated the great MMR hoax has been thoroughly discredited and retracted by the journal that published it, but the anti-vaxxers still claim &#8212; and hoodwink some parents &#8212; that more research is required to establish whether or &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2010/03/lay-science-further-research-is-necessary/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paper that initiated the great MMR hoax has been <a href="http://layscience.net/search/node/Wakefield">thoroughly  discredited</a> and retracted by the journal that published it, but the  anti-vaxxers still claim &#8212; and hoodwink some parents &#8212; that more  research is required to establish whether or not vaccines cause autism.   I thought therefore that it was time to repost my comments on a rather  more surprising source that happily promoted the bogus claim that &#8220;more  research is necessary&#8221;.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skepticism is about critical thinking and knowing how to avoid being fooled by charlatans and the honest but mistaken.  Over at <em>Lay Science</em> I explain one way that you can get fooled: by people citing the activities of cells in a dish as scientific proof for anything and everything.  Read it <a href="http://layscience.net/node/913">here</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first post on the new photography-oriented cotch dot net is up.  It&#8217;s a quick review of the police stop-and-search policy, in place across London as a counter-terrorism measure, and in particular the decision to consider photography to be a &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2010/01/cotch-tough-on-crime-in-fantasy-land/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first post on the new photography-oriented <a href="http://cotch.net">cotch dot net</a> is up.  It&#8217;s a quick review of the police stop-and-search policy, in place across London as a counter-terrorism measure, and in particular the decision to consider photography to be a suspicious activity worth stopping.  Of course, it takes the skeptical approach, finding that the policy is based more on a fictional idea of how the world works rather than on any evidence of efficacy.  You can read it <a href="http://cotch.net/blog/20100118_0158">here</a>.</p>
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