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		<title>Five ways Wikipedia beats newspapers</title>
		<link>http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2011/04/five-ways-wikipedia-beats-newspapers/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is another archival repost from the old blog. Wikipedia avoids weasel words. It attributes statements to their sources, rather than to &#8220;some people say&#8221;. Can you imagine a newspaper surviving five minutes with such a policy? When somebody hoaxes &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2011/04/five-ways-wikipedia-beats-newspapers/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is another archival repost from the old blog.</em></p>
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<li>Wikipedia <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words" target="_blank">avoids weasel words</a>.   It attributes statements to their sources, rather than to &#8220;some people  say&#8221;.  Can you imagine a newspaper surviving five minutes with such a  policy?</li>
<li> When somebody <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Mcilwraith" target="_blank">hoaxes Wikipedia</a>, the article quickly gets investigated and deleted within three weeks (and yet this case is <a rel="nofollow" href="http://news.scotsman.com/education/Falling-exam--passes-blamed.4209408.jp" target="_blank">held up</a> as an example of Wikipedia&#8217;s unreliability).  When somebody hoaxes the mainstream media, they carry on credulously <a rel="nofollow" href="http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ned=uk&amp;hl=en&amp;ned=uk&amp;q=clonaid&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;sugg=d&amp;as_ldate=2004&amp;as_hdate=2008&amp;lnav=d0&amp;ldrange=2001,2003" target="_blank">reprinting the press releases</a> five years later.</li>
<li> Wikipedia has a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_violations" target="_blank">policy against plagiarising</a> newspapers.  Judging from the amount of times I&#8217;ve blurted &#8220;hey &#8212; I wrote that!&#8221;, while reading <em>The Metro</em> on the tube*, the reverse policy doesn&#8217;t apply.</li>
<li> You can correct mistakes in Wikipedia.  You <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.badscience.net/2009/01/the-telegraph-misrepresent-a-scientists-work-on-climate-and-then-refuse-to-correct-it-when-he-writes-to-them/" target="_blank">cannot correct mistakes in the Daily Telegraph</a>, even if you were the subject expert quoted in the item.</li>
<li> Wikipedia is <a rel="nofollow" href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Finance_report" target="_blank">not about to go bankrupt</a>.</li>
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<p>Add your own in the comments.</p>
<p>(Inspired by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2008/12/why_cant_journalists_call_it_a.php" target="_blank">Bora</a>.)</p>
<p>* actually, I don&#8217;t read the metro on the tube.  not since the incident with the john peel obituary.</p>
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		<title>Journalology: Why you can&#8217;t copy abstracts into Wikipedia</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 16:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not a lawyer, but I do have six years experience of Wikipedia, was once a very prolific Wikipedian, and, despite my lack of activity there in more recent years, am apparently still an &#8220;admin&#8221; on the English language &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2010/05/journalology-why-you-cant-copy-abstracts-into-wikipedia/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a lawyer, but I do have six years experience of Wikipedia, was once a very prolific Wikipedian, and, despite my lack of activity there in more recent years, am apparently still an &#8220;admin&#8221; on the English language Wikipedia. This, coupled with working for an open-access publisher, means that I have also picked up a little knowledge of (mostly US &amp; UK) copyright over the years. Since I can&#8217;t boil all that down to just 250 characters (or whatever the limit is), this post serves to answer this question, raised at FriendFeed: &#8216;Does an article in pubmed belong to the &#8220;legal public domain&#8221;, can I copy and paste it in wikipedia?&#8217;</p>
<p><em><a href="http://journalology.blogspot.com/2010/05/why-you-cant-copy-abstracts-into.html">Continue reading at Journalology</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>I get mail</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Babylon in all its desolation is a sight not so awful as that of a surgeon with lawyer envy. from: Dr. Christian V. Zalai &#60;paeon2010@yahoo.ca&#62; to: joe@cotch.net cc: info-en-c@wikimedia.org, Alexandra Lucas &#60;alexandra.lucas@medicine.ufl.edu&#62; date: Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:44 PM &#8230; <a href="http://joe.dunckley.me.uk/2010/01/i-get-mail/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babylon in all its desolation is a sight not so awful as that of a surgeon with lawyer envy.<span id="more-34"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>from:	Dr. Christian V. Zalai &lt;paeon2010@yahoo.ca&gt;<br />
to:	joe@cotch.net<br />
cc:	info-en-c@wikimedia.org, Alexandra Lucas &lt;alexandra.lucas@medicine.ufl.edu&gt;<br />
date:	Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:44 PM<br />
subject:	Potential copyright infringement</p>
<p>Hello Mr. Dunckley!</p>
<p>While studying, I happened to stumble upon a page on Wikipedia published by you:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coagulation">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coagulation</a></p>
<p>I just wanted to let you know that the thrombosis cascade figure you posted, modified, then claimed as your own was actually designed and drawn by me and published in my book chapter.  Here is the reference: <a href="http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a732987966?words=cardiovascular*|plaque*">http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a732987966?words=cardiovascular*|plaque*</a></p>
<p>Officially, this represents a copyright violation.  Unofficially, I really don&#8217;t mind you publishing that figure (I&#8217;d like to think the simplicity of the drawing is what makes it a good figure) and I truly appreciate everything wikipedia stands for.  But I would like to be credited for that image with the hours of work that went into it, and really disapprove of you publishing that figure as if it were your own.  Please give credit where credit is due.</p>
<p>Thanks very much,<br />
Christian Zalai</p>
<p>Christian V. Zalai, MDCM, MSc<br />
General Surgery, McGill University<br />
paeon2010@yahoo.ca</p></blockquote>
<p>(I don&#8217;t actually publish Wikipedia, you know.  I think it&#8217;s published by some non-profit org somewhere.  I&#8217;m not entirely sure that Wikipedia would fit on my server, actually &#8212; I heard it&#8217;s quite big.)</p>
<blockquote><p>from:	Joe Dunckley &lt;joe@cotch.net&gt;<br />
to:	&#8220;Dr. Christian V. Zalai&#8221; &lt;paeon2010@yahoo.ca&gt;<br />
date:	Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:10 PM<br />
subject:	Re: Potential copyright infringement</p>
<p>hi Christian,</p>
<p>could you clarify, are you claiming that you *drew* the diagram, or<br />
that the diagram is based on your figure.  the source you give is<br />
closed access, so it&#8217;s not clear from your message.</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
joe</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>from:	Dr. Christian V. Zalai &lt;paeon2010@yahoo.ca&gt;<br />
to:	Joe Dunckley &lt;joe@cotch.net&gt;<br />
date:	Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:40 PM<br />
subject:	Re: Potential copyright infringement</p>
<p>hi Joe,</p>
<p>I did actually draw the diagram myself, using corel draw.  The link was to the publisher.<br />
The ebook version is accessible online, usually through your university library and only if they bought it.</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, where DID you find this image?</p>
<p>Chris</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>from:	Joe Dunckley &lt;joe@cotch.net&gt;<br />
to:	&#8220;Dr. Christian V. Zalai&#8221; &lt;paeon2010@yahoo.ca&gt;<br />
date:	Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:27 PM<br />
subject:	Re: Potential copyright infringement</p>
<p>hi Chris,</p>
<p>thanks for clarifying that you drew this exact diagram.  not being at<br />
an academic inst these days, i can&#8217;t get closed access pubs.  you<br />
presumably have a copy of your own though &#8212; perhaps you would like to<br />
take another look at it yourself, have another think about the claim<br />
you have made, and get back to me.  let me know what you find, and<br />
i&#8217;ll choose my response from there.</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
joe</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>from:	Dr. Christian V. Zalai &lt;paeon2010@yahoo.ca&gt;<br />
to:	Joe Dunckley &lt;joe@cotch.net&gt;<br />
date:	Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:34 PM<br />
subject:	Re: Potential copyright infringement</p>
<p>hi Joe,<br />
The original version of the figure you are claiming as your own is published in Cardiovascular Plaque Rupture, ed. D.L Brown.  I am waiting for a .pdf version from the publisher since the original files and manuscript are with another coauthor.  Once I get the .pdf, I&#8217;ll be able to confirm my claim.</p>
<p>Chris</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>from:	Joe Dunckley &lt;joe@cotch.net&gt;<br />
to:	&#8220;Dr. Christian V. Zalai&#8221; &lt;paeon2010@yahoo.ca&gt;<br />
date:	Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:58 PM<br />
subject:	Re: Potential copyright infringement</p>
<p>you could always see if you can find it in google book search&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&amp;id=5Jd0teC3byIC&amp;dq=Cardiovascular+Plaque+Rupture&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=web&amp;ots=KZxpsA4Dgk&amp;sig=lY21_-oXWdxpsETg5o_7PiVtIoY&amp;ei=s7OQSbaLKJ6z-QaY74SHCg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=result#PPA448,M1">http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&amp;id=5Jd0teC3byIC&amp;dq=Cardiovascular+Plaque+Rupture&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=web&amp;ots=KZxpsA4Dgk&amp;sig=lY21_-oXWdxpsETg5o_7PiVtIoY&amp;ei=s7OQSbaLKJ6z-QaY74SHCg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=result#PPA448,M1</a></p></blockquote>
<p>There ended our exchange.  (Playing the Google card was rather spontaneous, and perhaps had I thought it through first, I would have saved it and seen where the thread went.)  It has been a year, and I&#8217;m still waiting for Dr Zalai to get back to me with confirmation of his claim.</p>
<p>Here then are a few tips for anybody who is thinking of making spurious legal-chill threats and who wants to avoid making the same schoolboy errors that Christian here made:</p>
<ol>
<li> Avoid making a claim that concerns basic uncopyrightable facts about how biology works.</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t make your claim too outrageous: claiming something that is impossible &#8212; that somebody stole a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coagulation_full.svg">scalable vector graphic with a transparent background</a> straight from a book, say &#8212; makes you look just the tiniest bit silly.</li>
<li>Try to avoid sending your threats to somebody who is passionate about open science, copyright reform, and keeping lawyers out of science.</li>
</ol>
<p>If you fail to follow this simple advice, you might just find yourself being mocked in public.</p>
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